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Scotsman.com News - Police: We shouted a warning to de Menezes. 17 witnesses: No - we heard no such challenge

NONE of the 17 commuters who witnessed the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes heard police shout a clear warning before opening fire, in stark contrast to evidence given by eight officers.

The report also stated that while police were allowed to return to base, refresh and confer, civilians were expected to make statements in the immediate aftermath of the trauma at Stockwell station without being allowed to speak to each other.

However, the report stated, all the passengers were clear on one point: "It is perhaps significant that none of the 17 witnesses recall hearing the police officers shout 'police' or 'armed police' immediately prior to the shooting, whilst the eight police officers on the train recall either shouting or hearing this.

"Those officers have been interviewed under caution concerning allegations they conspired to pervert the course of justice."

Met chief Sir Ian Blair refuses to resign despite being criticised for delaying inquiry - Times Online

Sir Ian Blair was criticised yesterday for blocking an independent inquiry into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, but the embattled Metropolitan Police Commissioner insisted again that he would not resign.

Do you think I'm going to criticise the Plod? They were happy enough to gun down someone even though no officer "made a positive identification" so do I want to walk around with "Target" printed on my forehead?


Comments

"NONE of the 17 commuters who witnessed the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes heard police shout a clear warning before opening fire"

Their 'defence' against the charge of unlwful force is that they supposed him a suicide bomber who had to be killed instantly to prevent detonation (even though he was restrained at the time). Why then would they ever shout a warning in these circumstances...?

"...civilians were expected to make statements in the immediate aftermath of the trauma at Stockwell station without being allowed to speak to each other."

How were they 'not allowed'..? Were they arrested and held incommunicado?

TE - The point is that the officers all claimed to have either shouted or heard a warning - they weren't meant to be operating under the no warning rules - but none of the witnesses did.
And as to the second point, I imagine they were pretty shocked and they would have been threatened with arrest if they hadn't done as told, but then if you have just seen the nice men blow someone's head off you will tend to do what the nice men ask....

It seems barely credible to me that eight of Britain's finest would tell porkies to protect themselves and their colleagues. It is far more likely that 17 mere members of the public could have all been mistook as to what they thought they did or didn't here.

"...they weren't meant to be operating under the no warning rules..."

But their claim is that they thought they were operating under Kratos (kill suspected suicide bombers with headshots), so why would a warning EVER be given in these circumstances...?

If they DID shout a warning (as normal operational rules state they should), then surely they can't then claim to have believed to be operating under Kratos...?

TE - Good question, it is the police who claimed they shouted the warning, maybe because they realised (afterwards?) that Kratos clearance hadn't been given..

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